Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 17:09:32 PST From: Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup Errors-To: Info-Hams-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: Info-Hams@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: Info-Hams Digest V94 #230 To: Info-Hams Info-Hams Digest Thu, 3 Mar 94 Volume 94 : Issue 230 Today's Topics: 10-10# 5 by 5... ARRL Letter contents BY hams imprisoned by PRC For Sale: W9GR DSP (assembled) Ham Radio and More - Stations and Info Number Have a say about ARRL policy Madison to Kalamazoo info... Medium range point-to-point digital links Send Replies or notes for publication to: Send subscription requests to: Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the Info-Hams Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives/info-hams". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:34:11 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!asuvax!pitstop.mcd.mot.com!mcdphx!schbbs!waters.corp.mot.com.corp.mot.com!user@network.ucsd.edu Subject: 10-10# To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <1994Feb28.165221.5814@yvax.byu.edu>, sandersm@yvax.byu.edu wrote: > I am trying to get my 10 10-10 nbers. I would apprecite it if someone who > has a 10-10 number just give a UTC time and 10m Frequency and I'll be there. > 73's Thanks. Chad.....KB7ZIU Would be glad too, but I don't remember mine! I got it around 20 years ago and haven't been active in 10-10 for around 15 years. Anyone know how to find out my old number? Mike AA4MW -- Phooey on it all - I'm going sailing for a year or two!!! ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 1994 08:35:25 -0800 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ssd.intel.com!chnews!ornews.intel.com!ornews.intel.com!not-for-mail@network.ucsd.edu Subject: 5 by 5... To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <762531813snx@skyld.grendel.com> jangus@skyld.grendel.com (Jeffrey D. Angus) writes: >In article gregg@plains.nodak.edu writes: > > Where did the phrase, "I read you five by five." come from and what does > > it mean. I know it means good copy, but what specifically does it mean? > > Does it come from the early days of radar, of ham radio, of military > > aviation or what? > It comes from the RST signal reporting system. I would question this. You will never hear an air traffic controller give a signal report greater than 5X5. In fact, I've never heard one give a report under 5X5 for that matter. It seems to me they have 3 signal reports commonly used: "Taylorcraft 99999, You're 5 by 5. Squawk 4747, transistion approved". "Aircraft calling, you're garbled and unreadable. Remain clear of ARSA/TCA". "Aircraft calling, you're scratchy and unreadable. Remain clear of ARSA/TCA". The last two phrases are often used in response to aircraft handhelds. I've started using 5X5 myself after becoming disgusted with the abuse of 5X9. I used to always use 5X7 out of generosity but a more middle figure is probably better. 5X9 should require meter repair while 5X0 obviously means you only hear hiss. Actually, "Loud and Clear" has no more syllables than "Five by Five" and will probably be better understood by a wider audience. A Tailorcraft suits me fine. -- zardoz@ornews.intel.com WA7LDV ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 94 20:04:57 GMT From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu Subject: ARRL Letter contents To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Is it just me or does it seem silly to have a "10 years ago in the ARRL Letter" area in a newsletter that's supposed to be filled with fast breaking or short fuse news..? It just seems like it's off the subject somehow and probably feels out of place to me......If Westlink did it, people would scream (dunno if W5YI would do this...). bill wb9ivr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:38:44 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!csn!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!cupnews0.cup.hp.com!jholly@network.ucsd.edu Subject: BY hams imprisoned by PRC To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Celia Tony Becker (becker@shell.portal.com) wrote: : I found this on the DX reflector, and post it here. : > : > MORE ON THE VOA STORY ABOUT "BY" OPS. Fred, K3ZO, who has just recently : > returned from Thailand where he operated as HS0ZAR, had doubts about the : > Voice of America (VOA) report that all BY hams have been rounded up and : > sent to labor camps. Fred stated he heard and worked plenty of BAs, BYs : > and BZs while in Thailand, so he decided to investigated the Voice of : > America broadcast and found the following information: : > : > Here is the exact VOA text, which was based on a news item that was on : > the REUTERS news wire on February 16th: "Police in China have cracked : > down on the country's largest group of amateur radio operators, and : > have sent three of the group's leaders to labor camps. : > : > The "Official China Business Times Today" (Wed. Fed. 16th) Identified : > the group as "Radio-Air-Salon", based in Henan Province (BY6). It said : > police have caught 61 members of the group -- which had effectively : > taken over some 27 radio channels. : > : > The report said Radio-Air-Salon members often interrupted regular : > broadcasts with their own conversations and illegally listened in on : > restricted frequencies. It said the use of technical equipment to : > create chaos in the airwaves is a new type of illegal activity....... : > : > Fred comments he has tried to work as many different Chinese stations : > as possible while he was in Thailand, but he never heard BY6. The ARRL : > reports that their information shows only one licensed amateur radio : > station in PRC, club station BY6SRA, licensed to the Shanxi Branch of : > the China Radio Sports Association (CRSA). CRSA is the IARU member : > society for China. Fred points out that the VOA broadcast only mentions : > that three members of one club were sent to "re-education camps", this : > is a far cry from "ALL BY's". This is a prime example of how RUMORS can : > spread like wildfires and blow things out of proportion Also, the press : > has often referred to all manners of radio hobbyists as "AMATEUR RADIO : > OPERATORS." The group of hobbyists mentioned in the broadcast may be : > engaging in SWL and CB type activities rather than actual amateur : > operations. Fred states such activities are widespread in Asia and has : > experienced pirate "CB" operations on the 40 meter band while operating : > from HS-land. So in summary, amateur radio is alive and well in PRC. : > Reports of activity this week by BY1QH on both 40 and 80 meters is : > proof. Also, Martti, OH2BH, was in Beijing recently and visited the : > operators and station of BY1PK. Martti stated things were just fine : > and no one is rounded up in the labor camps. As matter of fact, foreign : > operators may be licensed in PRC soon. (TNX to K3ZO, N8II and OH2BH) : > ---------------------------- : > Tedd Mirgliotta KB8NW : > InterNet: kb8nw@barf80.nshore.org : > Basic Amateur Radio Frequency BBS (BARF-80) +1 216/237-8208 : > "Totally devoted to Amateur Radio" - 24 Hrs a day 8/N/1 14.4k-300 baud : > A recent post, unfornately copied to /dev/null, on the contest reflector from OH2BH says not so. There were some 'operators' rounded up, by from Martti's description, they sound more like freebanders. He was at local stations and there were plenty of real hams around. Jim, WA6SDM ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 1994 19:45:00 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!sgigate.sgi.com!gazette.esd.sgi.com!mechcad3.esd.sgi.com!glusk@network.ucsd.edu Subject: For Sale: W9GR DSP (assembled) To: info-hams@ucsd.edu For Sale: W9GR DSP kit with multi-program chip fully assembled and tested installed in metal enclosure includes 12V DC wall transformer Asking $75 shipped anywhere in US -- Mark Glusker, glusk@esd.sgi.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 16:39:57 GMT From: news.acns.nwu.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!direct!jmoore@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Ham Radio and More - Stations and Info Number To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Ham Radio and More is a weekly radio show devoted to amateur radio and related topics such as scanners. It is aired live from 1800EST to 1900EST every Sunday. The show is available to any station which agrees to carry the national ads. If you are interested in hearing the show and a local station is not on the list below, we suggest you call your station and give them the information phone number for Ham Radio and More: 602-241-1510 (KFNN, Phoenix). The show is also available on satellite on Spacenet 3, Transponder 9, 6.8MHz Audio. However, in order to keep the sponsors happy, and america's only national amateur radio talk show on the air, we need affiliate AM stations to carry the show. The current list of stations is: 1510AM WSSH Boston, MA (50KW) 1510AM KFNN Phoenix, AZ 1340AM WBMS Wilmington,NC 1490AM WAJF Decateur, AL 860 AM WHRT Hartselle, AL 870 AM WVMI Biloxi, MS 101.7FM KTOT Big Bear, CA 94.3FM KSEY Seymour, TX 1230AM KSEY Seymour, TX 1460AM WIFI Philadelphia/Trenton (1830-1900EST Only) 1300AM WPDJ Ft. Wayne, IN 930 AM WKY Oklahoma City, OK (starting 2/28) 1330AM WKTA Chicago, IL (starting 3/20) For information, you can call 602-241-1510 [FLAME PROOFING] Although I am the co-host of this show, I personally have no financial interest in it and make no money off of it. John Moore NJ7E Phoenix, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 23:10:44 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!wetware!spunky.RedBrick.COM!psinntp!psinntp!arrl.org!ehare@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Have a say about ARRL policy To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Subject: ARRL HQ email list Summary: How to contact ARRL HQ (repost with fixed news feed) Organization: American Radio Relay League The following ARRL HQ staffers AND ONLY THESE STAFFERS can be contacted directly via the net at the addresses shown. I've also included a brief mention, where appropriate, of some of the specific duties of the staff member so that you'll know who to contact. Staff member, call, title address ------------------------------------------- --------------- Al Brogdon, K3KMO, QST Managing Editor abrogdon@arrl.org Brian Battles, WS1O, Features Editor bbattles@arrl.org (Strays, New Products, Feature articles) Jon Bloom, KE3Z, Senior Engineer (arrl.org jbloom@arrl.org postmaster, QEX editor) Bob Boucher, Purchasing Manager rboucher@arrl.org Pete Budnik, KB1HY, Educational Assistant pbudnik@arrl.org James Cain, K1TN, QST Senior Editor jcain@arrl.org Joe Carcia, NJ1Q, Outgoing QSL Bureau jcarcia@arrl.org Mary Carcia, N7IAL, Administrative mcarcia@arrl.org Assistant to the Chief Financial Officer (ARRL Foundation; scholarships; endowments, bequests and donations) Lisa Delude, Administrative Assistant to ldelude@arrl.org the Executive Vice President Bridget DiCosimo, Technical Department bdicosim@arrl.org Secretary (article reprints; orbit calendars; PCB templates etc.) Kathy Fay, Deputy Circulation Manager kfay@arrl.org Steve Ford, WB8IMY, Assistant Technical sford@arrl.org Editor (Operating Manual; packet and satellite books; QST satellite and "Lab Notes" columns) Mike Gruber, WA1SVF, Laboratory Engineer mgruber@arrl.org (product testing) Ed Hare, KA1CV, Laboratory Supervisor (RFI; ehare@arrl.org product testing) John Hennessee, KJ4KB, Regulatory jhenness@arrl.org Information Specialist (Regulatory questions, "Washington Mailbox" column, FCC Rule Book) Tom Hogerty, KC1J, Special Projects Manager thogerty@arrl.org Luck Hurder, KY1T, Field Services Dept. lhurder@arrl.org Deputy Manager (Clubs; Field Organization; ARRL telephone BBS) Chuck Hutchinson, K8CH, Membership chutch@arrl.org Services Manager (Contests; awards; DXCC etc.) Bob Inderbitzen, NQ1R, Assistant to the rinderbi@arrl.org Manager, Educational Activities Bart Jahnke, KB9NM, Volunteer Examiner bjahnke@arrl.org Department Manager (Exams, VE coordination, etc.) Debra Jahnke, Circulation Manager djahnke@arrl.org Jim Kearman, KR1S, Assistant Technical jkearman@arrl.org Editor (books) Bill Kennamer, K5FUV, DXCC Manager bkennamer@arrl.org Joel Kleinman, N1BKE, Associate Technical jkleinma@arrl.org Editor (in charge of editing technical books) Kirk Kleinschmidt, NT0Z, QST Assistant kkleinsc@arrl.org Managing Editor Lisa Kustosik, Administrative Assistant, lkustosi@arrl.org Regulatory Information Branch Greg Kwasowski, Building Manager gkwasows@arrl.org Zack Lau, KH6CP, Laboratory Engineer zlau@arrl.org (RF/microwave circuit design, QRP) Billy Lunt, KR1R, Contest Manager blunt@arrl.org Steve Mansfield, N1MZA, Public Relations smansfie@arrl.org Manager (news stories, etc.) Tony Mascaro, Comptroller amascaro@arrl.org Jay Mabey, NU0X, Repeater Directory Editor jmabey@arrl.org John Nelson, W1GNC, Planning and Financial jnelson@arrl.org Analysis Manager Dave Newkirk, WJ1Z, QST Senior Assistant dnewkirk@arrl.org Technical Editor (Hints & Kinks) Paul Pagel, N1FB, QST Associate Technical ppagel@arrl.org Editor (in charge of QST technical editing, Technical Correspondence) Rick Palm, K1CE, Field Services Manager rpalm@arrl.org (Field Organization matters) Deane Potter, Information Services Manager dpotter@arrl.org Bob Schetgen, KU7G, Assistant Technical rschetge@arrl.org Editor (ARRL Handbook) Kevin Sheheen, Information Services ksheheen@arrl.org Barry Shelley, Chief Financial Officer bshelley@arrl.org Dean Straw, N6BV, Senior Assistant rdstraw@arrl.org Technical Editor Dave Sumner, K1ZZ, Executive Vice President dsumner@arrl.org (policy matters, HQ administration) Glenn Swanson, KB1GW, Assistant to the gswanson@arrl.org Manager, ARRL VEC Brad Thomas, KC1EX, Advertising Manager bthomas@arrl.org Michael Tracy, KC1SX, Technical Information mtracy@arrl.org Services Coordinator Lori (Maty) Weinberg, Assistant to the lweinber@arrl.org Publications Manager (QEX editorial assistant) Rosalie White, WA1STO, Educational rwhite@arrl.org Activities Department Manager (info on becoming a ham/training/SAREX) Perry Williams, W1UED, Washington Area 2242662@mcimail.com Coordinator (National Legislation and Regulatory Affairs) Mark Wilson, AA2Z, QST Editor mwilson@arrl.org Larry Wolfgang, WR1B, Senior Assistant lwolfgan@arrl.org Technical Editor (Beginner's books, license manuals) Tammy-Beth Zimmerman, KA1WWP, Membership tzimmer@arrl.org Services Administrative Assistant (DXCC, awards, QSL buro) In addition to these specific people, we've also set up the following accounts: Automated Information Service (information info@arrl.org files on Amateur Radio) Education Activities Department ead@arrl.org Technical Information Service (Technical tis@arrl.org questions) DXCC Desk dxcc@arrl.org Awards (WAS, etc.) awards@arrl.org Contests contests@arrl.org Outgoing QSL Bureau buro@arrl.org QEX Magazine qex@arrl.org W1AW 76067.3724@compuserve.com Other questions and messages to other specific HQ staff members should continue to be addressed to "2155052@mcimail.com" which will result in their receipt in the "front office" here at ARRL HQ. You should include your postal address (the slow kind) in case we need to send you nonelectronic material in answer to your request. Other useful addresses: Tom Frenaye, K1KI, Vice President 2349723@mcimail.com Frank Butler, W4RH, Southeastern Division 3113659@mcimail.com Director Stan Horzepa, WA1LOU, QST (Packet horzepa@evax.gdc.com Perspective) columnist ------- Jon Bloom, KE3Z | jbloom@arrl.org American Radio Relay League | Justice is being allowed to do whatever 225 Main St. | I like. Injustice is whatever prevents Newington, CT 06111 | my doing so. -- Samuel Johnson -- ----- Ed Hare, KA1CV ehare@arrl.org American Radio Relay League ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 1994 19:22:57 -0500 From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ddsw1!panix!panix.com!dc@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Madison to Kalamazoo info... To: info-hams@ucsd.edu In article <2l33hc$517@spool.cs.wisc.edu> jason@yar.cs.wisc.edu (Jason Hanson) writes: I plan on travelling from Madison Wisconsin to Kalamazoo Michigan in a couple of weeks. My route is going to be I-90 to Chicago (via Rockford), and then I-94 to Kalamazoo (via Gary). Any speedtraps, 2m repeater, etc. that you can alert me to would be appreciated... Univ. of Wisconsin | Madison, WI 53706-1294 | Ham: N9LEA (Extra) -- jason@yar.cs.wisc.edu =*++*= n9lea@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na -- I'm going the oposite way; Tucson, AZ to Madison, WI. East to TX then turn left if it's cold. North to MT then turn right if it has thawed. My experience is that in winter speed enforcement is a secondary concern. As a general rule, the urban-rural 55-65 slowdown zones and near state lines (after entering a state) are where troopers are concentrated. -- David Crawford dc@panix.com crawford@Arizona.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:44:42 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!ucsnews!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!ub!csn!col.hp.com!srgenprp!glenne@network.ucsd.edu Subject: Medium range point-to-point digital links To: info-hams@ucsd.edu Gary Coffman (gary@ke4zv.atl.ga.us) wrote: > In reading the articles on 10 GHz operating in the current > QST, one wouldn't get the impression of *reliable* links > with 50 db fade margins that work reliably 7x24 year after > year. *That's* the kind of links a digital network must > have. > If you can show how to setup and *maintain* 7x24 megabaud+ links to all > areas of the US, I'm all for it. I don't see a chance in hell of that > happening so I'm trying to bring this discussion around to things that > are within the realm of the *possible*. 56 kb beyond LOS links look > possible to me, many thousands of 10 GHz megabaud+ LOS sites do not. > It's not microwave *technology* that's the problem, it's the *sites* > and the people to maintain them that are the problem. Amateurs don't > have enough of either to establish a *national* microwave network, and > little or no hope of getting them. (Local or regional megabaud+ links > may be possible in certain areas, and I encourage that, but it just > isn't going to happen nationwide unless we suddenly get 20 million new > hams with optimum geographic dispersion.) > We're dealing with a very sparse matrix here. You don't seem to understand > that as you sit in a dense metroplex with hams on nearly every block. The > rest of the country just isn't like that. *Most* of our links are 60-80 miles > long, over unfavorable terrain, to sites we can *get*. Nearly *none* of them > are LOS. We *depend* on the beyond LOS propagation available most easily at > lower frequencies to maintain those links. (If we could muster the power to > do microwave forward scatter, that would be different, but there just aren't > enough surplus TWTs out there to do the job, and site managers frown on 32 ft > dishes on their towers. We *can't* depend on inversions and ducts, they just > aren't reliable enough.) At least you and I agree on the need for engineered, reliable links and that construction of a network will take a great deal of cooperation. I've emphasized that one of the few strengths amateur networking *may* have is "ins" and access to local sites. All these are points I've tried to make in some of my CNC contributions. And in case you think I'm in a densely populated, ideal terrain out here, think again. Mountains only work for you when you can get access and have helpers to maintain them (as you suggest). I end up spending a lot of my time with a 3 arc-second elevation database trying to figure out how to make a well connected network out of sparse users and large obstacles. My few links are (too) long just as you say yours are there. My argument with your 56kbps approach is that it simply doesn't come close to being enough capacity. It isn't nearly adequate for the needs of a competetive nationwide amateur network. And, in addition,depending on non-LOS propagation while maintaining reliability is an even less optimum use of resources. How do you intend to support even a fraction of the "20% of hams who call packet their primary mode" with even *mediocre* performance (never mind something competetive with telephone line modems which would stimulate and support growth), 50 dB fade margins etc? You've presented some equations relative to non-quality paths, troposcatter etc, could you show us how a system like that can provide the required total information capacity and approximately what it might cost? Could you present an estimation for us all of what the approximate vhf hardware and resulting per-user capacity of a reliable nationwide network of 3000 56 kbps full duplex nodes (your numbers) using beyond LOS propagation might be? Please show not only margins and hardware for an individual link but also an estimate of the spacial and frequency reuse problem/potential. My estimates and opinion of the above indicate that it falls orders of magnitude short of providing service adequate to support itself in an amateur environment. I truly hope you can show me my error(s) and that a beyond-LOS vhf network is viable. Glenn Elmore n6gn ax.25 n6gn@wx3k.#nocal.ca.usa.na amateur IP: glenn@SantaRosa.ampr.org Internet: glenne@sr.hp.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:18:33 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!gatech!asuvax!pitstop.mcd.mot.com!mcdphx!schbbs!waters.corp.mot.com.corp.mot.com!user@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References , , Subject : Re: RAMSEY FX TRANSCEIVER In article , jherman@uhunix3.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Jeff Herman) wrote: > The OTs used to be able to carry on a QSO and a verbal conversation > simultaneously! I could do that once too, but not at 30 wpm :-) I said: > >Strange that the SITOR and FAX stuff seems to be busy passing traffic all > >the time even if you can only hear one side of it. > > Dunno. Those are new modes to me... New to me too - thats why I am spending time on them :-) > I'll deny I ever said this but I will grant you that other modes will > eventually take over CW (oh my God - I don't believe I admitted that) I share your regret, CW is still a *lot* of fun. However the reality is that the world is going the other way... BTW did you see the article about spark/arc transmitters in this month's QST? Not *that* would be fun to play with! > - what will it take? As long as the shore stations keep monitoring the > CW frequencies some ships will keep using that mode. So the decision rests > entirely in the lap of the shore stations. Not quite, I suspect it is essentially economics. Like the Japanese proposal for totally unmanned ships programmed to go from sea bouy to sea bouy! I hope I never see that, but if it saves a buck ... -- Phooey on it all - I'm going sailing for a year or two!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 23:27:35 GMT From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!mvb.saic.com!news.cerf.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!chip.ucdavis.edu!ez006683@network.ucsd.edu To: info-hams@ucsd.edu References , <1994Mar2.070107.25919@ke4zv.atl.ga.us>, <1994Mar2.144907.26098@bongo.tele.com>d Subject : Re: JARGON Julian Macassey (julian@bongo.tele.com) wrote: : Wheras real mortals will say: "Blew a fuse this morning". A : true ham will spin it out with a desciption of what equipment was : drawing current at the time, who was effected, the duration of the : outage and the total milage driven to buy a new fuse. A skilled ham : communicator can spin a simple event out so that the description of it : takes three times longer than the duration of the actual event. Nah, A real Ham(tm) would have ten of the required fuses on hand but would still manage to use teh wrong value the first three times. He (or she) would then explain when and where they bought the fuse ten years ago. The worst part is that many other Real Hams(tm) will actually be interested and probably pump the first ham for more information. :-) cheers, Dan -- *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * Daniel D. Todd Packet: KC6UUD@KE6LW.#nocal.ca.usa * * Internet: ddtodd@ucdavis.edu * * Snail Mail: 1750 Hanover #102 * * Davis CA 95616 * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* * All opinions expressed herein are completely ficticious any * * resemblence to actual opinions of persons living or dead is * * completely coincidental. * *---------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ End of Info-Hams Digest V94 #230 ****************************** ******************************